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You are in contact with the world of excitement on Bob Kennedy's contact.

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Well, you know, hardly had major keyhole director of my cap, National Investigating Committee

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on Aerial Phenomenon departed Boston a week or so ago, and the balloon really went up

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out in Michigan.

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At least something went up out there because we have a whole rash of reports of unidentified

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flying objects that were sighted in the Ann Arbor area.

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They were seen by farmers, by policemen, the Civil Defense Director co-eds roughly about

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400 and all.

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What were they?

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Well, we'll get some opinions tonight, some from the official Air Force investigator who

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has sent to the scene, some from Major Kehoe in Washington, and also from that Civil Defense

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Director in Michigan.

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And later we'll be hearing from a reporter out there who interviewed any number of eye

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witnesses.

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How about you too?

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Have you had any sightings lately?

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You wonder what this thing called UFO is?

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What it's all about?

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I tell you what, this place is lively, it'll explode tonight, and electronic mess before

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the evening is over because we have hooked up a line between Washington and back to Michigan,

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and Washington will have for a while, Dick Hall, the Assistant Director of the National

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Investigating Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.

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It will have the Civil Defense Director from Hillsdale, Michigan, Bud Van Horn on the long

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distance line.

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We'll be here in Boston, we'll have Streeter Stewart with us a little bit, Streeter from

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WBZ News of course, and also a member of my cap at UNI Line so we really have something

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going and we'll be back getting our conversation underway but first let's have a second.

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How are you?

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Fine, fine.

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Very good, and hello Bud Van Horn in Michigan.

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Hello Bob.

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Bud, can you hear Dick?

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I can hear Dick, fine.

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Dick, can you hear Bud?

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Yes, very well.

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Okay, off we go then.

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I think we'll begin with Dick Hall but if you don't mind out in Washington, Dick of course

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is the Assistant Director of the National Investigating Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.

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Major Keen Hall is on his way to Washington and he'll be joining us a little bit later.

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But having been involved in these saucer shows, Dick, for about three and a half years here

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on Contact, all in hand it seems to me that this is probably one of the biggest rash of

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sightings that I have ever seen in the past three years anyhow.

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How does this stack up according to other flaps that you've had?

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Well the only one that was comparable to it at all was in November and December of 1957

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and this is the keeps up at the present pace.

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We'll out do that one.

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We have literally dozens of reports pouring in right now from all over the country.

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So it's not only Michigan?

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Not only Michigan, no, they're throughout the south and far west.

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There was one open sign.

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And the sight map is just prickling with thin.

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Any particular theory as to why?

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I think the sightings have been going on very steadily since last summer and I think the only difference right now

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is that they got some publicity for a change and something touched off the wire services

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and the national network people and therefore it's brought it more out into the open.

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Well of course I guess it's something that touched off the wire services was the fact that so many people

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were seeing them at one time up in Michigan and the Hillsdale and Arbor area, correct?

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Yes, and it was the nearest Arbor and the University of Michigan and the radio telescope site that probably did it.

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Plus the fact that Bud Van Horn was one of the witnesses and the deputy sheriff.

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Gentlemen we've just been joined by Frida Stewart here of WBZ News and also a member of myCAP.

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Frida we're currently talking about the fact that we'll just flamp out of Michigan at least from the shows we have been doing here on contact.

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Seems to be a rather big one and I guess from people interested in this thing a rather important one, correct?

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Yes, I think so.

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I think the reports have said that the reports were the most consistent that they had had by a large number of people in a long time.

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However Dr. Heineck's reports that it would probably swamp gas, will probably put a damper on that.

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He didn't say that it positively would swamp gas but from all indications as far as he could find out, he thought that it would swamp gas

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arising now in the springtime because it was rather warm and these people were seeing clouds of swamp gas.

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We'll hear portions of that statement a little bit later on.

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Street we have Bud Van Horn, he's the Civil Defense Director out in Hillsdale for Hillsdale County and he saw and has seen the UFOs.

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In fact he's watched one last night.

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I wondered, do you want to go along with the theory of Mr. Van Horn that it would be gas out there that caused this?

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Definitely not Bob, very definitely not.

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Bob I would like to ask Mr. Van Horn, why he didn't report this to the nearest Air Force and have them send some planes over to investigate what this thing actually was?

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Why he watched it from the 11 until 2?

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It's because on the previous reports to Self Reach Air Force Base, I have received very poor reception and they have been made to look like a very ignorant person.

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And this occurred last night for your information and this information shall be released in the near future.

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You mean the recent deciding last night?

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Right.

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What does it look like? Can you give us an indication of it?

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Yes, Ken Bob. It was one of the most perfect sightings that we have had in the last 10 years that I have been receiving your reports and tracking them down.

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The object was long in shape.

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Now this is a different shape than I have ever been able to determine before and I think the reason for it was that it was closer to the surface of the Earth.

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I estimated the altitude of this at approximately 18,000 feet.

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Have you seen them before you said that I have been able to estimate before?

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Pardon?

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Have you seen them another time?

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Yes, I have seen them many a time and I have not bothered to report them to any agency because I did not feel that the Air Force was interested in them.

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How many times have you seen them in the last week or so?

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I have always seen many of them Bob, many of them. I can't tell you how many.

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But how many have you seen them every night? Have you been watching them?

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Pardon?

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Have you been seeing them every night out there?

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Not every night because really I haven't been watching for them every night.

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There is hardly a night that has gone by, I would say in the last two weeks, that I have not received a reporting of UFO.

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Don't you think this is rather a serious situation where there isn't enough liaison between the Civil Defense and the county and the Air Force?

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Particularly where Civil Defense is so concerned about what these might be and the Air Force supposedly also being concerned, especially with anything that might be a threat to our security?

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Right. Just let me relate to you what happened last night. This is really an exclusive because I have not released any information to Newspare for Radio Media today.

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Is it alright if I do this Bob?

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You run ahead.

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I have observed this after following a report of this having followed a train between the small village of Allen and the city of Hoseville last night.

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And the train, I tried very hard to convince the engineer who reported it that it was an aircraft possible place.

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After listening to him and finding that this was going alongside the train and then speeded up to a great speed, it then stopped and the train, which was a freight train, was able to come up to it again.

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It flovered in the air and came straight to the city of Hoseville and then took off.

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They sighted it, followed it and they immediately pulled me and I immediately got on it.

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At that time that I got on it, I was able to visually with the naked eye see this object in the sky.

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It appeared to be elongated and at the top it had a green light or a blue which sometimes referred to.

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In the center was a white light and on the bottom was a red light.

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And upon doing this, I then put the tocculars on it which brought it up very plain and it still appeared to be elongated and through the binoculars which were 755,

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appeared to be about the length, maybe a little longer than the length of a common pin.

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I immediately called Selfridge Airport's base in an attempt to get the radar confirmation on this and was given the run around.

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I asked why a chase plane couldn't be put off the ground into the air to check this out.

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The answer that I got was they were not authorized.

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I ended up getting my confirmation on this which I did get confirmation on it through Willow Run Airport's radar.

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And not the military radar site.

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They had this on their site on radar.

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Right. We have a confirmation of this. We got an inanimate flip on it and also we got the second.

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There was two of them there.

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And to go a little further and to tell you merely that I witnessed the docking and separation of two of these in the air last night.

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That's all I would say.

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Wow, this really is a fantastic development and this is news that I hadn't heard on any news wire or from any source whatsoever.

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I have not released this. I will suppress all information from now on.

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I will not release any information whatsoever to anybody. This is an exclusive for you Bob.

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Okay, fine. Thank you so much.

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I'd be very interested in Vic Hall's reaction to that and then give lots of people waiting to join us on our long distance line and our local line.

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We got so many lines out of here.

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We got a lot of lines from people in Boston because we'll be on the long distance line with Major Kehoe.

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Also with that reporter out there, Daniel Campbell, reporter at the Ipsilanti Press in Ipsilanti, Michigan, who has interviewed many of the I-witnesses.

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The reader's story, our guest here in Boston on our long distance line in Washington is the assistant director of my camp, Dick Hall, in Michigan on a special conference called as Bud Van Horn,

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the Civil Defense Director for Hillsdale County out there.

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We heard quite a startling story from Bud Van Horn.

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What was your reaction to that before we get to some cruel hearing, Boston?

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I think it's a very impressive report and I'm glad to get some of the details directly from Bud Van Horn.

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We had heard rumors about this and we're glad to hear it to confirm.

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We have had similar reports in the past of objects joining up in the air and I think his description of it as a docking operation is very interesting.

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You know something that I'd like to talk with Major Kehoe about a little bit later, but I was intrigued by finding out that the Republican leader of the House, Senator Ford, has called the representative for it.

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I think it's the representative of Senator Ford.

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What Republican leader, House Republican leader has to represent it.

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Of course, Gerald Ford called for a full blown investigation of unidentified flying object sightings.

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This is something that Major Kehoe has been talking about for quite a few years.

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Bob?

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Yes, sir.

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Major Kehoe just came in so I'll turn it over to him.

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Okay, fine.

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Major Kehoe, how are you?

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Fine, good to see you.

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Good to see you, too.

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Oh, hello from me.

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I can say hello to him. He's right here.

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Oh, very good to have you with us.

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And of course, Major on our longest flying out in Michigan is the civil defense director of Hillsdale County, Bud Van Horn.

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I'd like a little bit later, if you don't mind, I have because I want to take some phone calls, talk about House Republican leader Ford's statement today that he'd like to see a full blown investigation of UFOs.

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Yes.

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Okay, right now let's take a call. Bob Kennedy, you're on contact. You're on the air.

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Hello?

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Yes, ma'am.

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This is what's been calling from what's been waiting?

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Yes.

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I'm writing my hookup song, New Deal.

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He was driving along New Deal and he started with a splendid business to turn over.

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What business?

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Monday night.

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And they came across in these closures and police stopped mentally.

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It was a matter of any story.

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The guy shaved off his jacket, helped me over where the airport used to be.

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And my next-door neighbor, we happened to have a camera on the tire to take a picture.

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Now for reasons I don't know here is to climb to show it to anybody.

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I was wondering if anybody would be interested in the picture.

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Would you show it to or what could you do about this?

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Sure, bring it in here.

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Which is very interesting to see.

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It's a beautiful program.

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And then I'm sure the screener would like to take a look at it as a representative of the nine camps and we'll get to the right hand.

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But watch every husband drop it off.

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All right.

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Okay.

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That's amazing radio.

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Right, and we guarantee end of the meeting.

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All right.

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I'll just drop it off and go questions back.

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Oh, it's nice to see you.

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Okay, Robert, thank you for coming.

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Got your picture straightened.

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Well, I'm here to do your own contact now.

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You're on the air.

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Hi, I'd like to direct my question to me to Keo.

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Yes, sir.

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I'd like to know his opinion on the fact why whenever the exciting of UFOs reported to the air force,

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why the air force very rarely reports its findings to the public because you find a number of the times the air force keeps quiet on the manila.

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I have the effort to report the findings to the public although they do get national trust coverage.

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But the air force never comments on it.

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All right, major.

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Well, there is a high level policy with the air force to resound.

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But these things must be played down, explained, and possible to avoid the hysteria or panic.

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The air force really should not be playing too much of this policy except at a very high level.

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And many people in the air force that don't even believe in it, I think that it's bound to cause trouble sooner or later.

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But under that policy, all of the project people and the air force spokesman and the best of all of them are required to explain as many things they can even though some of the answers are obviously holding on the ridiculous.

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Bob Kennedy, you're on the air. You're in contact.

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Hello, Mr. Kennedy.

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Yes, sir.

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First of all, I'd like to say that I'm a believer but you were major keel over the past few months.

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You saved my wife a real believer.

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And you know something, I don't know, major keel.

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I'm not a believer.

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I don't think I'm one of the initiated.

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I'm not one of the born again believers.

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UFOs, I kind of sit here hopefully with someone of a cynic's attitude about this.

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I think that's my job.

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Well, true.

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I'm just, if I were so interested, I would be very concerned that people using the word believer because it almost has that mystical attitude.

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Well, maybe it's a wishful thinking, right?

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Well, I don't know if that's it, but as a streeter, do you, does it bother you when people say, I am a believer in?

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It really doesn't bother me.

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I think what they really mean is that I think that these things are real and I think that there is something to it that they're not just large gas and so on.

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Well, I had two comments.

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I'd like some expert opinion on it, if I could, calling from Cape Cod.

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And the first one is I read articles about, oh, by prominent scientists, I think, at least they say they are from Harvard and other places, who say that they've gathered from chancelages, not directly from the Bible, but, oh, things like the Rosetta Stone, but not exactly.

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I'm not saying the Rosetta Stone itself.

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Things they translated from recorded history that people back then all talked about the great fire bird that came from the sky and the little golden man that jumped out of it and looked around and got back in his fire bird and in a great blast of fire took off.

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And the scientists said that they thought possibly we had been visited.

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Our planet had been visited and watched over something like, oh, something like, you would watch over a garden pretty regularly for the past, so maybe five, ten thousand years.

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I'd like some comment on that.

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And also, I guess I'm the only one that's thought, but I remember when the first pictures that the Russians sent back from the moon, the backside of the moon.

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I don't know whether it was a photography blur or what it was.

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It seemed to be a little spike sticking up.

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And since the moon has no high mountains on it, it's been a discernible from where we sit or from the pictures.

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Of course, I told my wife and some of the immediate family that wouldn't think I was a complete track pod that, well, this guy had also said, when we send somebody to the back of the moon, don't be surprised.

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There's a kind of an observation station there that has been built by these people, maybe from another part of the galaxy.

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What more perfect place than a place which never turns around and faces the Earth?

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And those are just the two things that I'd like to know if maybe some of the people would you be here and have given any thought to this question at all?

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And since you're waiting for calls, I'll hang up and see if I can get the answer.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay.

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Have any thoughts on this?

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Yes.

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It is well known that historically and archaeologically there has been evidence and also the evidence from the Bible that there have been things which some people have said were unidentified flying objects which came from outer space and visited the Earth.

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There were drawings, for example, that are reported to have been from several thousand years BC which showed the creatures with very large heads and very small legs and arms which some have said were an indication that these were creatures from outer space and not warly creatures.

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The flea that Ezekiel tells about being in the Bible, some people say was a vehicle from outer space.

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Dr. Menzel of Harvard says that he thinks that probably it was some type of a reflection, sun-dog combination, a natural phenomenon.

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But it is true that in the Mayan Peninsula and other areas there have been prehistoric and historical evidences that perhaps could be interpreted as UFOs.

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Gentlemen, let me interrupt here.

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We have a few amounts of news and then we'll be back continuing our conversation.

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And then, but I'd be very interested in finding out if you have any particular feelings as to why.

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As you said a little bit earlier, the Air Force gave you somewhat of a run around when you called Emma as the Civil Defense Director out there in Hillsdale County.

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If you have any feelings, why did they mind it?

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Now, Buzz Van Horne, I asked you a question before the commercials there about if you had any feelings as to why the Air Force gave you, as you call it, a run around line, Steven.

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Bob, this is the third recording, the two previous that I have phoned in.

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The same thing occurred. This is why I haven't bothered to waste my time phoning any other sims.

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So, I can't, really, I can't figure this out. They had this UFO investigation program.

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But if I had to give an honest opinion, I would say it was one of two things.

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Either they just plain aren't interested, every report they receive means too much paperwork, or else they know what it is.

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But as a person who is interested in taking care of his community, and by the way, I don't get paid for this job, it's the greatest job in my life.

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I feel that there certainly should be something done.

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Now, last night I asked for a chase plane. It was possible to get a chase plane on to check this out.

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The airman that I was talking to said, no, they weren't authorized.

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Well, they're intently interested in this UFO program, and they want to check these out.

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And they don't know what they are, and they really want to find out what they are.

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Tomorrow I'm thinking there should be things that should be authorized here that they can take immediate action on.

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Really, I think it's very important planning.

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One thing, if I can kind of jump over the other side of the fence here, and having once upon a time my life sat inside a control center like that,

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and gotten some phone calls, not specifically like this, but it costs a good deal of money to run one of those things off the ground.

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We think, well, gee, just take it off on the airplane.

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I forget the cost at one time, just to get one off the ground, I think it's something like $10,000.

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And there is always a danger of life, and I guess they want to darn certain money going at it.

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And though perhaps they should do some regulation, and if, for instance, like a civil defense director calls up about it,

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perhaps they should scramble on it. But on the other hand, they really have to think about what they're running an airplane up.

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That's a major vision of equipment over, you know?

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Well Bob, my feeling on this is that there are many things done where our government don't worry about spending the money.

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And I'm sure that the planes are used, in fact, no personally where the aircraft has been used for different various things,

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where if you want to get right on to Brad's facts, we're in force.

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It only depends. I mean, if they're interested in this program, fine. If they aren't, why don't they stay so?

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Okay, Bob, thank you very much for joining us. We have an edition of WBC News coming up.

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And we'll continue with our conference call down through to Washington, and then joining us a little bit later on our long distance line to Michigan.

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So you have to kind of clear the line up there. We'll be Dan Campbell, reporter on the Get So Lanty Press.

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Incidentally, in case it's a good windy evening and we're getting out there to Michigan,

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and we have any of those people who have seen some of the sightings in the past weekend,

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would be willing to spend a little change and call us up. We'd love to hear from you.

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Major, we said a little bit early we'd talk about the fact that the representative Ford came out today for an investigation.

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I imagine this makes you sort of an elated man at this point.

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Well, we know that a lot of members of Congress have been supporting hearings. I'm urging them for some time.

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But there's always changed public attitude and press attitude, so encourage some of them.

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And now I think the next 24 megatons results, we certainly hope so.

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And a little bit later we'll be planning a portion of the French conference of Dr. J. Alan Heinichel today,

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the investigator from the Air Force and the project movebook out there.

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He, of course, said that the flying objects were due to move in a swamp gas.

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He admitted he couldn't prove it.

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Did you chuckle, Major?

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Why didn't you chuckle?

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You can tell us if you want to.

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Do you have any particular theories or have you been filtering the reports out down there about why or why it's particularly out in Michigan at this particular time? Why so many?

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Well, no, we haven't figured out any pattern which would give a conclusion like that.

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But quite often there's been a concentration in a certain area over a period of time, and then it ends and the concentration begins somewhere else.

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Now, for a long time there was one up there in England, and now it seems to be shifting over into the middle west.

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But there's not enough tidings to reach a conclusion on.

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That would say, perhaps, this goes on for a month while we should have a lot more information.

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Before we take another phone call, it seems to me that Dr. Heinichel said in his report today, and I'm certainly not an expert on this,

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but it seems, frankly, rather, some reason that's why it went up a flying saucer.

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He said he couldn't see why they would pick a swamp.

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You know, just why? You know, why not?

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That's the thing I would want if they're looking for a quiet kind of place.

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Well, I think his reasoning was that no sensible pilot, as we know them here on Earth,

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whether it was a helicopter pilot, a plane pilot, a pilot of anything that flies, would pick a swamp as a place to actually land.

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But actually, you know, many of these UFOs seem to hover rather than land,

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and if they picked out a swamp where people are not expecting this and where they wanted some privacy while they did some observing

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or gathering some specimens or the like, perhaps a swamp would be an ideal place for them to so-called hover or come close to land.

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I'm sure I bet there are any number of people asking this question.

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I have asked it so many times, and sometimes I almost forget to ask it again, but I think it's important.

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People who might be hearing the program tonight, they say, oh, for heaven's sake, again, with those flying saucers,

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if they're out there, why in the world, if they're watching us and if they're down here?

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For heaven's sake, if they were with Tuesday, they'd go right up to Washington, hover over the White House,

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and say, President Johnson, here we are, we're from outer space, how are you?

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And end all of this controversy once and for all.

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So Bob, you know, these, if there are intelligent creatures in the spacecraft, there's no indication that these are identical to us.

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It could very well be that if a civilization has reached an advanced state of technology

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whereby they are able to propel their spaceship at an ever-increasing acceleration,

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and they can travel at the speed of sound, it's not inconceivable that they are willing to spend the four years in space travel

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that it would take from one of the other suns in our planet, or in our solar system, rather,

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or outside of our solar system, but in our galaxy, that's what our really name,

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to come here and establish a base, some place that we don't know, and then use these so-called surface ships,

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just as we will use a small capsule to go down to the surface of the moon, and make these exploratory contacts.

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It could very well be that we are going to be very much surprised if they are intelligent beings in these spacecrafts

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that they are not like human beings at all. So their way of thinking wouldn't be the same.

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Alright, let's take a phone call, gentlemen. Hello.

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Hello, yes, Bob. I would like to ask a couple of questions on ICAP.

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Sure.

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Who is it supported by the federal government, and is it affiliated with the airport?

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No, no. Quick answers for you. I can do that. No affiliation with the government, no support from the government.

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And also, a question on swamp gas. How would swamp gas create an illusion of illuminated objects in the sky at night?

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Is there any possibility? I've heard people who have seen swamp fires, that's what they call them, street.

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Apparently, there is a phenomenon on this, something like the decaying matter in some logs,

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the so-called socks fire and all kinds of these false fires.

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This actually, if it has a certain chemical content and a phosphorous, it will glow.

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I've seen this so evident at night in decaying logs that you could take objects that were made of this,

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take it into a darkened room and it would give off a glow that you could readily see.

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It would almost light up a corner of a room.

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And if the gas is filled with this particular substance, it would give off an illumination.

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And then if it came upward because of the expansion of the gas or because of warm temperatures causing the gas to rise,

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this would create the illusion of something, an object that was rising into the sky.

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Bob Kennedy, you run contact around the air. Hello.

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Good evening, Bob.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, I have a question. I can't remember where I heard this comment, but this was on the spot.

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Well, I'll show you a dig that made it feel.

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Sure.

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But in the comment that was mentioned that lashes at UFO sightings were usually related to a certain planet,

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being solar systems, being close to the Earth.

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Well, I was wondering if there were any planets close to the Earth that this particular planet were under a suspicion.

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And also, sort of a science fiction comment, about a week and a half ago, I think was the Russians that sent up a probe to see if the flag was merged.

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And now a week or so later, you're here about all the UFOs.

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But I'd just like to hear from you.

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All right. Thank you for calling.

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Bob, the Russian wanted us to Venus. They did actually make a hard contact on Venus.

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And we have been avoiding that because we don't want to contaminate the planet.

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And that's why we preferred a flyby. And we did do a flyby of Venus, making observations.

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Unfortunately, our flyby was so far away that most scientists feel that any results that we had were rather inconclusive.

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What was the other planets they talked about?

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Whether they were in an opposition at this particular time.

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No, I don't believe that any are that close. However, when they are, it is true that not only have we had an increase in UFO activity at those times,

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especially when Mars is close by, but scientists have been able to discover many things.

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And I wish Donald T. Hall would talk a little bit about the report in the UFO investigator about the confirmation of the canals of Mars.

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Major?

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Well, yes, the relevant first reports were released.

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They bestated out of the depoportional laboratory that there was absolutely no sign of any of the so-called canals or oases.

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The areas where the canal lines intersect.

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Now, it turns out that there actually are lines on these stones, on a number of them.

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Matter of fact, we have seen two movies from here in the office.

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They were shown to us by Dr. Frank Southbury, who is an eminent expert biologist at State University of Colorado,

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and who also studied Mars for a long time, and will strongly suggest that there may be intelligent landform Mars.

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Now, these were films made by the astronauts once in a major key home?

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No, they were made by the mayor. Remember, the mayor and the crew were there, and they took pictures from the...

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I guess, several thousand miles, and he couldn't expect too much detail in here, but on the basis of this,

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the depoportional laboratory, and then asked us that there was no indication of any canals, and that ideal remained fixed for a while.

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Now, it turns out that there were lines on the films, and I don't know whether they thought better not to mention it at the time,

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but they were laterally discovered, when they made a more careful determination, that they are there.

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Dr. Pombo, the depoport, also confirms the fact that he's found several canals on these stones.

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I understand too that there is a movement under foot to put more money into the Mars exploration,

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and to sort of dismiss, or not give the money that we had planned to use for the exploration of Venus,

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because it was felt that there was a greater reward to be raised by putting all of our eggs into one basket, so to speak, in the exploration of Mars.

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And you've heard much on that, the...

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Well, I've heard that too. I don't think any actual figures have been released showing a change in appropriation,

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but it's saying the reasonable, because Mars has indicated that there's more chance of...

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I mean, our evidence indicates there's more chance of some kind of intelligent life there, if it doesn't exist now, then there possibly wasn't the past.

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And I believe it's right, we would get more rewards, and certainly Venus, if all of the reports of the last two years are correct,

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or, for example, whether there is any life of the type that we would recognize, please.

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Gentlemen, we have a message at two, and we'll be back continuing our conversation tonight.

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For a long distance line from Michigan in a few minutes, we'll be Daniel Campbell,

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who's a reporter on the Insulantie Press, and has been interviewing many of the people who have cited some of these objects.

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Yes, sir. I brought them. Nice to do with it.

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Nice to do with you, too.

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I enjoy your show very much.

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Thank you so much.

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Listen, I have two very brief things.

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Number one, my hobby, one of my hobbies is old newspapers, old books, and as a result, I have quite a collection of them.

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I spend considerable time in the libraries, one in particular, the Boston Public Library.

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And today, by saying, for instance, I was reading an actual newspaper, the original copy of a thing called the Athenian Mercury,

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which was published in London in 1692.

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This paper consists of letters to the editor and answers.

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And the fascinating thing about it was that on the front page, there were two flying saucers, like,

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and this fellow went on to say he was standing by the ocean somewhere there.

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They didn't call them flying saucers.

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No, they didn't. They called them flying dishes, but I thought that was pretty cool.

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Flying dishes.

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Flying dishes.

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And he went on to describe in perfect detail pretty much what you'd read in today's papers about a thing wheeling in and then going at great speed and then making sharp turns into the peg.

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And the answer is, well, the question is, what is it?

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The answer is something that was a well over the years, we have had many such studies of flying ax handles, flying anbils, and all the flying paraphernalia that was popular at that time in history.

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And that was all it was, too, but I thought it was kind of interesting.

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Flying digits.

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00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:12,500
Now, the second thing, and this is something that's probably been concerning me for quite some time,

410
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:19,500
have you noticed how the general public in the country feels to be alone in the flying saucer, is that right?

411
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:32,500
You take something like the sales tax, the Vietnam crisis, where people who are very, very vocal, I mean people in the news media, the Walter Lippman, the, uh, the context, the Huntsley Brinkley,

412
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:38,500
they all take definite stand. The newspaper is right editorial, some of my best reporters come out for it.

413
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:45,500
But in flying saucers, what you generally get is straight reporting, and there doesn't seem to be a reporter really,

414
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:56,500
major national statue who has yet to take a definite stand on this, there's been no clamor from your so-called big people for national investigation.

415
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,500
It's sort of a community, even the newspaper reporting.

416
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:02,500
You're reporting as representative Ford, as of this afternoon, clamoring for an investigation.

417
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:09,500
I agree. And this is a little bit unique, but over the past few years, and I'm killing the representative Ford,

418
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:18,500
who seems kind of alone in this as well, your big network, NBC, CBS, well, these specials on, on some of these things.

419
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:30,500
What's the problem? Los Angeles, unemployment situation, but yet a sort of the magnitude of possibility of extra-terrestrial visited has drawn a blank.

420
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,500
Well, they have done special programs on UFOs.

421
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:34,500
Yes, they have.

422
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:40,500
They have had a movie, which I think was kind of a bomb, but I mean, that's beside the point.

423
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:47,500
It's just, the handle's been enough often. I get the feeling that an awful lot of people who are, you might consider him or those folks who are from the country,

424
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:53,500
a radio for television from this place, but I kind of either shying away or they don't believe in it at all.

425
00:35:53,500 --> 00:36:00,500
I frankly, if I can talk perhaps from the inside, I don't think that they're shying away from it.

426
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:06,500
I frankly think that it's because a large percentage of people who would be involved in this really don't strongly.

427
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:11,500
They think it's too far out of their heads in fact, and they treat it as sort of a feature type of thing.

428
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:21,500
In fact, I think, Peter, this is probably the first time that flying saucers, trying to make such extensive hard news, as we call it, you know,

429
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,500
that's the word I was looking for.

430
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:30,500
Yeah, rather than someone writing about the financial farmers or the train that jumped out and taken to your leader, you know, or something like that.

431
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:35,500
The first time I recall, they usually read stories, but nothing like this. Is that like, things?

432
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:41,500
Well, there have been other times it seems to me when they have in the past, and at that time, of course, we gave more emphasis to it,

433
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:51,500
and then after a passage of time, you don't recall how exciting and how much coverage there really was, believe, and I think that would explain that.

434
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:58,500
But I do believe that a lot of people feel that anyone who thinks that things could come from outer space is a kind of a nut.

435
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:14,500
And yet, if you realize that we do really plan in our own lifetime to make manned exploration to the planet, even though it seems almost impossible that we would ever think of sending a spaceship to another solar system,

436
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:24,500
since it would take four light years traveling at 186,000 miles a second, still, I think, one of these days Bob would have to do that.

437
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:28,500
Yeah, I thought I was taking up a phone call. Yes, Bob? Yes, sir.

438
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:38,500
I just thought I might be able to shed a little light on the discussion about the airport. I just got out after seven and a half years, and I've had taken the issue up for reporting, personally.

439
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:44,500
And it's probably a minute or so that seemed to be a little confused about the airport, maybe not caring, I'm giving them a run around.

440
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:57,500
And I think the main thing here is that when they get a hold of somebody at an airport's site or base like that, they're talking to you, like he said, an airman or a lower grade man who hasn't the authority to do anything.

441
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:03,500
And usually nobody on the whole site or base has the authority to do anything. They can't determine who's calling you.

442
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:09,500
And if he says he's a civil defense director, they have no way of proving this. And by the time everything's checked out, of course, it's too late.

443
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:19,500
They definitely do care, I know. And if something is spotted on radar, whether we get a call or not, it is checked out. Not always released, but checked out.

444
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:27,500
The thing is, how can you write a regulation governing something like this to cover the whole airport? It's kind of a little difficult.

445
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:38,500
And you run into a situation like you did. You probably got a little lower grade man who had a regulation in front of him, and all he could do was read the regulation to him and maybe sympathize with him.

446
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:54,500
I do think, Bob, that it's unfortunate that this is set up in this particular way because since this is the case, they have to always do an investigation after the fact, rather than being able to send a claim there and actually observing and finding out for sure what this thing is.

447
00:38:54,500 --> 00:39:06,500
And this leads to a lot of speculation as to what it might have been, and if they can get some pretty good expert witness to say that it probably was going so, then they mark the case off and solve.

448
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:18,500
I remember one night we were sitting at a radar site, this was in Germany, and the after we had been sitting at a radar site for about five minutes, but that's not a darn thing going on, you know, you're just hoping for something to happen.

449
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:26,500
At about three o'clock in the morning, and we heard these blinks coming across the scope, and we figured the amount that they were going 18,000 miles an hour.

450
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:44,500
They were zooming down, they were covering Germany and back off through Italy and down like nothing's left, and we really didn't know what to do about it, frankly, and the captain in charge looked at those things, and we called the headquarters, and they were sort of heartedly kind of debating as to whether they'd go up.

451
00:39:44,500 --> 00:40:02,500
And then we were in a position, if we admit there's something up there, if there's something up there that's going 18,000 miles an hour, maybe we don't want to find out what it is, and then we were wondering if it was a rocket, and then suddenly somebody came back, and they had dropped the screwdriver and the equipment in the back, and it caused this blitz to come along like that.

452
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:20,500
A little bit earlier today, there was a press conference held, and I gather it was probably no round in Michigan, let's see what the baseline arm is, is here in Detroit, and this is Dr. J. Allen Krenick, the Western University Astro-Positions and the Air Force Consultant, and he was set out there this week to investigate the situation, and you'll hear him in the beginning say,

453
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:38,500
I'm talking only about these two sightings, and by that he means only the two series of sightings that they had out there in Detroit, and not the rest of the many sightings that we have had, not country over the past few months indeed, over the past year, and here's just the force of that, it's not the best quality at all, but we'll give you an indication about the general attitude.

454
00:40:38,500 --> 00:41:06,500
I've been talking about these two specific cases, and I think honestly, with NASDAQ, I am not discussing the appendage of other cases which could not be explained by NASDAQ, even for the past few years now, but these are the kinds of investigates that I'm talking only about these two cases, and I want to keep that quite clear.

455
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:18,500
The light these guys resemble is time-chain, sometimes from running around, sometimes floating above it. The flames go out in one place, and suddenly appear and knock in another, giving you illusion of motion.

456
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:29,500
In those days it's thought the light did not burn or charred the ground, making it clear for hours, and all of the patients, so it's clear for hours at a time and sometimes for a whole night.

457
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:37,500
In any way, there's no snow, and there's no sound, except the popping sound of little excursions which is going to get them ignite.

458
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:47,500
The majority of the buildings in both cases are reported only light, red, yellow, green, silent, green light, near the ground, where you have not described an object.

459
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:56,500
Even the only two buildings that did describe an object are stated that there is no surface and 500 yards better than the quarter of a mile.

460
00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:03,500
Well, I doubt that one could make out much detail at that distance at night.

461
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:14,500
It was at that night, no news, and by the way, the news were so much found that I've worked in numbers in my capacity of scientific consultants as competent scientists,

462
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:21,500
why are these studies such cases, and evidence from responsible people, as they were to learn, took credit.

463
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:26,500
Dr. J. Allen Reineck of Northwestern University answers the question of this in an Air Force consultant.

464
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:34,500
The man who was sent by the Air Force out to Michigan to investigate the findings of past week meant we should attribute some pretty much to Rue and Swamp gas.

465
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:38,500
A couple of messages, and we'll be back talking more about the big flyers in Michigan.

466
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:39,500
Yes, sir.

467
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:40,500
Bob, yes.

468
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:41,500
I want to know something.

469
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,500
Now, I'd like to ask Dr. Kearrow a question.

470
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:45,500
Sure.

471
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,500
Now, this gentleman's footy called the Air Force and how to get the plane up.

472
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:50,500
Yeah.

473
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:57,500
How come this radar in Colorado can't pick it up if they say that the airport is up there?

474
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,500
And then I have another question.

475
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:05,500
They said that the boy in the name had sighted one and he shot at it today.

476
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:06,500
Yeah.

477
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:08,500
Could I have an answer on that?

478
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,500
Okay, well, we should get the shot at it.

479
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,500
He fired it at four times, he missed three, hit it once, doesn't take too much for a zame.

480
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,500
I don't know about the UFO.

481
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,500
Well, Major Kearrow, what about the first thing?

482
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:24,500
Was there anything picked up in any major radar sites on the flat?

483
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:31,500
Well, according to the Civil Defense Director Van Orr, I think he told you that any radar

484
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:36,500
will run or confirm the fact that they were too bright, like he's last time.

485
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:42,500
But the many cases where the Air Force has a minor policy in playing this down,

486
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:47,500
they said there was no radar confirmation and that later they had to retract it,

487
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,500
but they did have it.

488
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,500
Now that happened last summer in Oklahoma.

489
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:57,500
We are Oklahoma State Police and we have found reports from their headquarters saying that

490
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:00,500
they did have confirmation from the Air Force.

491
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:02,500
Take your Air Force base, call some.

492
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:07,500
Many times these officers tried about there and they retracted the radar there.

493
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:11,500
They had height, the altitude, speed, the leverage and so on.

494
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:16,500
And you have to hear the public statement that there was no radar tracking and you simply

495
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:21,500
have to accept it as a part of the policy to play these things down.

496
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:25,500
I'd like to just say something about the matter of the radar tracking.

497
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:30,500
In the Boston area, when I made what I thought was a very good sighting, I called all around

498
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:36,500
it to conversation at all from any of the observatories and none of the radar stations

499
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,500
in this area had said that they had reported it at all.

500
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:45,500
And the object that I saw at the very time that I saw it and in the very direction that

501
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:52,500
I saw it, doing the things that I had seen was tracked from Fort Monmouth in New Jersey.

502
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:58,500
So this thing was apparently very high, but as far as I could determine, no radar in the

503
00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:59,500
Boston area had tracked it.

504
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:03,500
Now let's go on to Michigan once again on our line is Daniel Campbell.

505
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,500
Mr. Campbell, welcome to contact.

506
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,500
Thank you, Bob.

507
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:06,500
And welcome to Boston.

508
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:07,500
Street of Stewards with us here.

509
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:12,500
Streeter in addition to being one of our WBZ news, man, is also a member of NICAP.

510
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:14,500
Of course, he had made a key on the other end of the line.

511
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,500
Now you have not at such scene any of the saucers, have you?

512
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:18,500
No, I have not.

513
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:25,500
I've been out three different evenings with sure Japanese, but I have not yet seen anything.

514
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,500
What time do they usually appear?

515
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:34,500
We've had them appear anywhere from 7.30 in the evening and about the same time in the

516
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:35,500
morning.

517
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:36,500
Fine, it's about 7.

518
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,500
You're on the same time as we are here, correct?

519
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:39,500
Yeah, Eastern Standard Time.

520
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:41,500
7.30, you want to stick your head out the window?

521
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,500
You can think now, do you?

522
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,500
Anything reported out here this evening?

523
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:51,500
No, we haven't had anything recorded this evening that I know of, but we had quite a

524
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,500
flurry last evening.

525
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:54,500
What kind of a flurry?

526
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,500
Can you give us a little detail on that?

527
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:03,500
Two hundred students at the Eastern Michigan University claim they saw two objects, not

528
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:05,500
two objects, two lights in the sky.

529
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,500
One to the east and one to the west of the campus, that's an Ipsilanti.

530
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:16,500
And this was confirmed by Mylon Police, the campus police and the Ipsilanti Police Department.

531
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:21,500
We also have statements from these men, statements they also saw the lights.

532
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:26,500
One in addition to saying they just looked like lights, gives you an indication they were

533
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,500
UFOs and they just looked like lights could have been things on an airplane or some sort

534
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:32,500
of an advertising balloon going by and one of a number of things.

535
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:39,500
Well, we talked to about fifteen of the students this afternoon and all of them have concurred

536
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:44,500
with the fact that the lights were stationary.

537
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,500
We had students say they watched them for ten minutes.

538
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,500
We have another that said he watched it for an hour and a half.

539
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:56,500
The lights changed from red to green to white in order, then back to red, green and white.

540
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:58,500
Were the colors bright?

541
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:01,500
They said about as bright as a bright star.

542
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:07,500
I mean the colors themselves, they said red to green to white, were the changes distinguishable

543
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:10,500
changes or just sort of shading they changed?

544
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:16,500
No, they said they were changing almost as if two different colored lights had been put on a

545
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:21,500
policeman's light on his car and then the flasher.

546
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:26,500
They were flashing in different colors and then all three lights would change, all three of them would

547
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:28,500
change every two seconds.

548
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,500
So the intervals were that fast.

549
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:33,500
You also talked to the farmer, was his name Manners?

550
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:34,500
Yes, Frank Manners.

551
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:38,500
He and his son saw one of these things, Hubbard or land?

552
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,500
Yes, and all at Hubbard I believe.

553
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:43,500
How close was he to him?

554
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:49,500
He got, as the papers have said, and as I heard on your program, to about 1500 feet.

555
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:56,500
But I would not agree with Dr. Heineck that that is a great distance because I too have been out on the site.

556
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:04,500
And from the vantage point that Mr. Manners had, one would have a very clear vision of anything at that distance.

557
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:12,500
I myself, I think judging his distance, tried to mark it off, was able to tell the year making model of various cars.

558
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,500
From that distance, so that is such a great distance.

559
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:17,500
What kind of an attitude pervades the communities out there?

560
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:19,500
How are the newspapers handling this?

561
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,500
As straight news or sort of doing it up in feature style, little tongue in cheek or what?

562
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:25,500
Mostly straight news.

563
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:27,500
We've had a few feature stories on it.

564
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:33,500
Every once in a while something will happen that will lend itself to humor and the papers will pick it up.

565
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:35,500
But generally it's straight news.

566
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,500
We've had just too much out here to laugh at anymore.

567
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:39,500
In general, let's take some phone calls.

568
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:40,500
Hello, Bob.

569
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:41,500
Yes.

570
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:45,500
I would like to ask a question to Major P. Health, I may.

571
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:58,500
About a case that happened on October 23, 1965, out in Minnesota, where an announcer at KEYL, Long-Turry, Minnesota,

572
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:05,500
supposedly saw robots or creatures shaped like tin cans with arms and cycled legs.

573
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:09,500
Now you watch those announces, they see all sorts of things. Look out for them.

574
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:18,500
Applying to the not flesh or tissue but a kind of metal. How does he account for this?

575
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,500
Major Keo, do you hear anything about that?

576
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:24,500
Yes, we have. Actually, the evidence is rather sketchy.

577
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:30,500
And we are putting it on the question margin.

578
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:32,500
Actually, it's a thing like that.

579
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:41,500
And you have to have fairly good proof. There should be several witnesses who saw that same thing and get the same dimensions.

580
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,500
I believe that you have to say that that is one of the unconfirmed reports.

581
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:49,500
Gentlemen, let me settle a loaf of rye bread here in Boston. I'm going to be back taking more of our phone calls.

582
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,500
Oh, we'd be fully forget again, Stranger.

583
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:52,500
By and by.

584
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:58,500
What about the young man who mentioned the fact that that fellow up in Maine was in such a pot-shot out of flying concerts?

585
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:03,500
Yes, I thought maybe Major Kehoe would have something to say about people who shoot a piece of UFOs.

586
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:04,500
Major?

587
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,500
Well, we were concerned about the fellow who took a pot-shot at the flying concert.

588
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:12,500
Oh, yes. Well, that has happened several times. And we've been concerned about it too.

589
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:26,500
Over the past year, they've been reports of people who were alarmed by these things and either fived out of their cars or a man that came down at Brother O'Aldertude or actually fired at one person in West Virginia

590
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:31,500
or a man that had a gun in his car and he jumped out and shot at it.

591
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,500
But we haven't any reports of what actually hit him.

592
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,500
Why did you say we were concerned about that?

593
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:47,500
Well, if you start that kind of feeling, you can spread alarm and there's actually no basis to feel fear of these objects as far as we've found out.

594
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:57,500
There's no evidence of any hostility and I think we should look at them more calmly and try to get as much scientific information as we can.

595
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:03,500
And impress people, in fact, there has not been any attacks, there's been no hostility.

596
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:10,500
And there's a great deal that can be learned if these are actually machines from some other and more advanced civilization.

597
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:13,500
So from the 19th point of view, somebody up there likes us?

598
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:18,500
No, I think that we don't know what motive could be back of these.

599
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:24,500
It could simply be something the Air Force itself years ago suggested in the Project Country Report

600
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:31,500
that an advanced civilization was concerned because we were now preparing to go into space.

601
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,500
We were launching high altitude rockets.

602
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:35,500
We were exploding nuclear bombs.

603
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:41,500
They wanted to check and see whether we were likely to be any sort of a problem as we did get out of space.

604
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:50,500
Bob, I like Jacques Ballet's idea in the book Anatomy of a Phenomenon in which he suggests that there has been enough evidence now

605
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:58,500
and it's about time that a group of scientists actually got to work on this as a project, putting their heads together,

606
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,500
not just one man going out and interviewing a few people over a few hours,

607
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:10,500
but really working on this to find out if there is something to the UFOs, if they really are from outer space and coming up with an answer as to what they are.

608
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:16,500
Daniel Campbell, before we close down our line to Michigan tonight, are you going to be out doing any investigating this evening?

609
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:18,500
I hope not. I was out all last night.

610
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:21,500
Well, how many more people do you plan on interviewing out there?

611
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:29,500
Oh, at least a couple thousand. We're going down to Hillsdale, another night-cap member in Ann Arbor and myself tomorrow.

612
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:35,500
I would think that if you knew that this thing had been spotted over a particular swamp area

613
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:43,500
and this had occurred a couple of nights in a row that it would be an excellent idea to go back there on two or three nights

614
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:52,500
to see if you didn't see that again and if you did have some expert people with you, you could actually see it with your own eyes and come to some kind of a consensus.

615
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,500
Okay, Dan, good night. Thank you for joining us.

616
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:56,500
Good night.

617
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:58,500
What station do you work for?

618
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:00,500
WPRJ, Marietta, Ohio.

619
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:02,500
Okay, very good. What do you do out there?

620
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:03,500
Program director.

621
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:07,500
Oh, the boss. Oh, the boss. Right now, there's a program director.

622
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:09,500
Okay, do you have a question now?

623
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:18,500
I was wondering, I suppose, Major Keough is the one that I really was wondering about.

624
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:33,500
I have heard that back during World War II that the Army and Air Force were interested in the flying saucer situation, pretty much undercover.

625
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:59,500
Of course, they don't say too much about it nowadays, but I heard that they went so far as to have diffraction-grading cameras stationed at some of their Air Force bases, hoping to get a picture and diffraction-grading being similar to a prism.

626
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:05,500
The line is really conky out here. They spent all that money. I think we've got a good question.

627
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:08,500
Were you curious to know why they didn't do it?

628
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:17,500
I was wondering if Major Keough had any information on this, if this was official or what.

629
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:22,500
Okay, fine. Major Keough answered that for you. I'm sorry, the line is so bad. Thank you for calling.

630
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:23,500
Major?

631
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:30,500
Yes, they did have an official project of about 1951 and 1952.

632
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:37,500
These special cameras with a grit and it turned out to be a failure.

633
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:42,500
Several times the grits came off, they weren't cemented right there. They had to be taken back in and worked on them again.

634
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,500
They never did turn up anything.

635
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:51,500
Main reason, because they weren't the right type of equipment, there was no real campaign to use these things.

636
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:55,500
As far as I know, they didn't register a single UFO.

637
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:59,500
Major Keough, once again, thank you very much for joining us tonight on Contact.

638
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:00,500
Thank you, Bob.

639
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:03,500
Nice to have you back with us. Kind of an exciting week for you, I imagine, huh?

640
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:07,500
Well, thanks for being building up. Of course, this has been going on a long, long time.

641
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:13,500
Alright, and street is still at once again. Thank you very much for taking time out from that news department down there to join us.

642
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:15,500
Thank you very much, Bob. Okay.

643
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:19,500
As Monday Night on Contact, Bob, we'll tell you about Monday Night on Contact in just a moment.